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Post by Tim Davies on Aug 17, 2006 3:29:50 GMT -5
This won't be the last ever Wasted. People were conned into buying tickets because they believed it WAS the last one. The festival might change it's name but it will be back next year and it will still be the same people running it. The same people who only care about how much money they can milk from the punk scene.
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Post by jake on Aug 18, 2006 14:17:24 GMT -5
Hi Tim, I agree with you about the nostalgia thing with people cashing in on the back of it, but lots of the bands and people who go check out new bands (in fact the best bands that played were nearly all newer bands) this was my third wasted I went to the 3 Blackpool ones, I skipped the rest for the very reasons you touched on, some of these so called punk bands being paid £1000s for their services to punk rock, some of the bands had rejected money for years, I guess the temptation was just too much
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Post by Tim Davies on Oct 4, 2006 9:33:41 GMT -5
Yes as predicted by me Wasted is back at Blackpool next year and the name is the only thing that has changed. It is now called rebellion festival and it is being run by the same parasites that were running wasted. Don't just support this nostalgia circus, get out supporting gigs where the money actually goes mostly to the bands and not directly into Wasted/Rebellion's bank account.
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Post by OMD on Oct 9, 2006 7:29:36 GMT -5
Supply and demand? Mr Russel does a great job whatever his motives - its the punks who attend that should be out there supporting local gigs. There is room for a festival of this kind but people shouldn't treat it as the be all and end all. Personally I'll do my litlle bit for punk and wish everyone well - I just want the underdog to bite balls and get some recognition - simple as that.
Fungalpunk/OMD - poking the punks at gutter level
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Post by OMD on Oct 9, 2006 7:33:53 GMT -5
Oh by the way - give me 4 bands in a back street bar rattling out tunes full of spirit and angst rather than at festival full of nostalgia nuts - its just what I prefer but each to their own. Don't come crying though when punks fucked.
Fungalpunk/OMD - many colours in a rainbow
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Post by Tim Davies on Oct 13, 2006 10:25:01 GMT -5
I do agree with OMD's view about supply and demand and the fact that the average punk can only be bothered with the bands that have made a name for themselves. There are stacks of unknown bands out there who get no recognition because people don't want to know about them. They aren't Conflict, UK Subs, 999 and the like but a lot of them are just as good or better. Open your ears to the newer punk bands before it's too late or as Crass said it will be "Punk Is Dead".
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Post by dave cox on Oct 20, 2006 6:35:34 GMT -5
yep, hits/wasted/rebellion is a fuckin brilliant festival, shit loads of great bands. you cant get away from the nostalgia though (unfortunately), theres far too many old wankers that think its a fuckin convention, like friendsreunited or some bollocks! but you cant escape from the opportunities it gives the younger bands, an the crowds it pulls just gives these new bands such good exposure it can only be a good thing. promoters meeting loads more bands, bands meeting loads more promoters etc can only help the smaller gigs all over the country/world! the bigger bands (or as i like to call them BRAND NAME punk, which isnt actually punk is it) like uk subs, cashing in on their status... i just see stuff like that as a big stinking shit floating in a nice bucket of tasty fruit juice, they just ruin it for everyone. anyway, enough of my ranting! Come to RHYL and see some decent bands for cheap entry fee (and the bands actually see the money too!) www.pigtownrecords.tk
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Post by confrontation on Oct 21, 2006 10:46:40 GMT -5
daz russell is a twat! a few years ago when wasted was in morecambe,we arranged a free prewasted warm up gig at a local pub with local bands and a few others....later in the night we found out hewas hanging around the place telling everyone it was off so they would go to his gig at the carleton...dickhead
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Post by jake on Oct 23, 2006 9:01:06 GMT -5
Most people who have posted on here have made good points for and against the festival/nostalgia mentality. I've always seen these things as a place where a good percentage of the punks that attend only go to BE SEEN rather than TO SEE whats on offer. I mean how many hundreds sit outside posing when there's a fucking shit hot band playing theirs hearts out inside. I know people go for different reasons, and I would like the money I paid to go to the bands I saw but it don't work that way, that's why I to prefer small gigs where the people are genuine (most of the time). I would rather play to 5 real people than 500 wasted posers any day of the week. On our first day @ wasted this year (Thursday) we were walking up to the gig and this guy started chatting to us, I asked him where he was from, he replied SHEFFIELD, strange I thought cus I'm from sheffield and I'd never seen the guy before and I know most if not all the regulars in sheffield. This is the kind of people who attend and make it a success, If the poses didn't show it would fail dismally. On a positive note I met tons of punks from all over the place, some complete strangers who were great people. We can fucking whine all we want but it's just how things are.
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Post by dave cox on Oct 24, 2006 7:40:39 GMT -5
jakes on the ball, summed it up well!
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Post by Tim Davies on Oct 24, 2006 17:28:26 GMT -5
You made some very good points Jake and your heart is obvously in the right place as regards punk. It's a shame that people like us are sadly in the minority but there are still some genuine punks out there. I'll keep doing what i'm doing, trying to give a bit of help to the lesser known bands because they need all the help they can get. I do it because I love the music and that to me is what really matters. When you bring obscene amounts of money into the equasion the music becomes secondary.
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Post by jake on Nov 5, 2006 7:52:42 GMT -5
do I know you dave? I know a couple of Dave's but on a first name only basis
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Post by Kristoff Ska on Nov 8, 2006 12:18:00 GMT -5
Well, I wanted to go on the Saturday this year, as I live in Blackpool, and some top ska and punk bands I love where playing (Skylar being the main one for me)
I will go next year just because my mates went last year and had a great time (Not bad for our dull hometown).
I'm far from a poser punk. Infact, I look very far from punk, I am a grumpy old man at the tender age of 19, and when I have long hair (i.e. not at the moment) i look more like bernard black from black books than ever, i have the temper all year round though haha.
But when I go next year, I will spend my time checking out the smaller bands, I have no interest in watching (as someone above put it) Brand name bands. Living off former sucess pisses me off really, I don't like the cashing in on it thing.
I love Bad Manners, and keep missing them in Blackpool, in a way, they are living on a former sucess, but they have never stopped gigging really.so that doesn't piss me off.
but it is a bit of a nostalgia fest for the older punks is wasted, but i will be going to check out the newer bands (and if any of the ledgendary two tone acts are playing, like the beat and the selecter played this year, i will be there at the front skanking like a loon!)
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Post by pank on Nov 21, 2006 9:29:11 GMT -5
ok Tim, i only ever went to two of daz russel's festivals in 02 & 03 both h.i.t.s the 03 one being the last ever!,so mr russel is getting a bit predictable so expect "rebellion" to change name in about 2010 again. the only reason i went to those two fest's was the lack of punk bands playing down here in Cornwall after moving here from Leicester,having said that i was a right lazy bastard when it came to going to gigs in the midlands where traveling twenty or thirty miles is easy,now it's not uncommon for me to drive to bristol,Plymouth e.t.c to watch bands,so what I'm really trying to say is if theres a gig remotely near you get up and go because if you don't they'll dry up through lack of support and then you'll have to go to the festivals.
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Post by dave cox on Dec 11, 2006 12:45:28 GMT -5
yep, I live in Colwyn Bay (about half way accross the coast of north wales), we used to have to travel down to manchester or liverpool to see decent bands, then we found out there was D&B (dave an bob promotions) in Llandudno, an they inspired a few of us to start puttin on the gigs in Rhyl (pigtown records). I guess, coming from a promoters point of view, I can appreciate when someone sets up a punk gig so i'll try my best to get there an show my support. I appreciate any live music in my area (or any area really) an i understand if we dont support it, the people organising it will get fed up and stop. So if you want it to carry on, keep fuckin goin! Although HITS/Wasted/Rebellion may have abit of a corporate side to it; the chance it gives the younger bands is undeniably brilliant, and for this we must support it. Is this debate going round in circles now? oh and jake, to be honest mate, im not sure if i know you or not, i guess jake is a bit unspecific really (as is dave, to you), i wouldnt be surprised if we've met in a drunken stuper somewhere at some point though. I dont mean to use this as a blatant opportunity to promote my gigs but if anyones interested, all the info is on www.myspace.com/pigtownrecordsor www.pigtownrecords.tk
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